Garth Algar
8:06 Mon Feb 23
Re: Since when was putting a hand on someone a foul?
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I am over it Davies, but still believe it wasn't a penalty, that's all.
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Mad Dog
8:07 Mon Feb 23
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I'm also very very suspicions of any penalty after the 85 minute Mark
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norwaytips
8:28 Mon Feb 23
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I've not seen a newspaper report, that said it was not a penalty. I never heard a commentator say it wasn't a penalty. The players hardly complained at all. Who is saying that it wasn't? Yep, us Hammers; and we aren't biased, all the others are. :-)
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JGW1
8:31 Mon Feb 23
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Like ive said a dozen times ..... Kane throws his left leg back to try to make contact with Song but misses and starts to go down. As he has stopped in his tracks Song makes contact with him putting his hands out instinctively. Kane was already on the way down. Thats all there is to it. I dont give a fuck what the pundits say. They are routinely the most myopic and self serving bunch of twats (after managers) in the game. And i especially don't care about your view after some of the tosh you posted yesterday.
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JGW1
8:32 Mon Feb 23
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Like ive said a dozen times ..... Kane throws his left leg back to try to make contact with Song but misses and starts to go down. As he has stopped in his tracks Song makes contact with him putting his hands out instinctively. Kane was already on the way down. Thats all there is to it. I dont give a fuck what the pundits say. They are routinely the most myopic and self serving bunch of twats (after managers) in the game. And i especially don't care about your view after some of the tosh you posted yesterday.
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JGW1
8:32 Mon Feb 23
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Make that 13!
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Willtell
8:34 Mon Feb 23
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Yes it was definitely a penalty and Kane went down because he was tripped. The 'push' was Michael Owen's commentary and had nothing to do with why Kane went down. Song caught Kanes heel....
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JGW1
8:35 Mon Feb 23
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No he didnt
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ornchurch ammer
8:36 Mon Feb 23
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As I have said before, for the hard of thinking, this is not solely about yesterdays penalty but a general point.
How many times do you hear "he felt a hand on him so was entitled to go down". Why?
Do you go down if someone puts a hand on you if it is a bit tight on the underground?
I accept that a push and shove is a foul, although apparently not from a corner, but placing a hand on someone - unless we want a game stopped every few seconds then no way.
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,
8:36 Mon Feb 23
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Kane won the penalty so give him some credit. He could not have done it without the help of Song though.
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Takashi Miike
8:40 Mon Feb 23
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blatant dive
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Willtell
8:40 Mon Feb 23
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JGW1 8:35 Mon Feb 23
"No he didnt"
Oh yes he did!
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62Hammer
9:03 Mon Feb 23
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I never understand when pundits say "he put a hand on him and gave him the opportunity to go down". So putting your hand on someone (or any kind of minor contact) is wrong, but deciding you're going to throw yourself to the floor as a result of it is ok.
It's not, it's cheating, and I wish some of the media would have the guts to say it sometimes.
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Paulo Di Godio
9:49 Mon Feb 23
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JGW1 8:31 (& 8:32!)
That is the single, most accurate description of the incident I have seen yet. It's absolutely spot on. There is zero doubt he tried to get the contact and zero doubt that by the time it came he was already at 45 degrees and going to hit the floor 0.2 seconds later.
NEVER in a million years is that a correct penalty decision.
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Brucies_Star_Prize
9:55 Mon Feb 23
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It was a penalty, clear as day.
Whether Kane could have stayed on his feet is irrelevant, there was easily enough contact with the push and the clip of the leg to justify the decision.
If Kane had stayed on his feet he wouldn't have been awarded the penalty - the same goes for the majority of penalty incidents. Why should a striker make an effort to stay on his feet when he is clearly fouled?
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Jonah Lomas
10:01 Mon Feb 23
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In my opinion Brucies, you've just summed up everything that is wrong with football now with this question:
"Why should a striker make an effort to stay on his feet when he is clearly fouled? "
There is absolutely no way that the contact was enough to cause Kane to fall over, but he did, specifically to ensure the referee gave him a penalty.
It's becoming a game for cheaters to prosper, more than ever so before.
Players are diving and tumbling and rolling round in agony all over the field now, and the refs and administration are doing anything about it, even in some of the most blatant cases.
And yet, it's a free for all at a corner, and more often than not, if anything is given it's against the attacking team.
You don't see it in most other sports.
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tunwhu
10:13 Mon Feb 23
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What Jonah said
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Far Cough
10:15 Mon Feb 23
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I remember the days when you had to practically murder a player before you got a penalty, now you get one if you breathe a bit too hard on a player
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Brucies_Star_Prize
10:18 Mon Feb 23
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Jonah Lomas 10:01 Mon Feb 23
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There is absolutely nothing in the laws of the game which states that the contact must be sufficient to knock a player over:
"Trips or attempts to trip an opponent"
"Pushes an opponent"
Song clearly pushed and tripped Kane, therefore it was a penalty.
Instead of blaming Kane for going down, perhaps we should ask why players need to go down to be awarded a penalty.
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oneteaminlondon
10:22 Mon Feb 23
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I read that kane "won" a penalty.
So what does that mean?
How can you win a penalty. Really it can only mean played for or sought, and got a penalty. The same as cheating. No journos mention this though.
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Brucies_Star_Prize
10:23 Mon Feb 23
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'Winning' a penalty is just a turn of phrase.
It's been used many times before when a player has been poleaxed in the box.
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